Citizendium

On my other blog I write posts about a wide range of subjects. Often, I put links to online encylopaedia entries within the text. At the moment there's really only one useful candidate. When Citizendium.org was launched earlier this year I wanted to support the project by linking to their articles instead. I imagined they would import most of their content from the other, long-established wiki encyclopedia — at least as a starting point.

Unfortunately, that's not the case. They've chosen to restrict their content to newly created material. Citizendium's article count was still only 3000 at the beginning of October 2007. Nevertheless, over the past few months I've checked their alphabetical list of articles each time I wanted to link to background information about a topic. It's a time consuming thing to do, because finding a relevant entry on the best known wiki encyclopedia takes just moments. Only on rare occasions have I found a suitable Citizendium alternative.

Last week, my efforts were thwarted because the alphabetical links on Citizendium's directory of "Live" articles stopped working (the same for the "next 400" link). It's still broken today. How long does it take them to notice and fix a problem like that?

The reason I wanted to support the project was because their declared aims, which you can find on the Main Page, seem to address the shortcomings of the other wiki encyclopedia:

  • We aim at credibility and quality, not just quantity.
  • We offer gentle expert oversight.
  • We use our real names, not pseudonyms.
  • We're collegial.

I'm not so sure about the last point. It says "We're collegial." What does that mean? An ivory-tower worldview? Does it mean they want to discourage non-graduates from signing up? I'll check back on their progress in a few months time, but meanwhile I'll stick with the usual source.
 

5 comments:

John said...

Thanks for spotting this. We've been concentrating on our new automated account registration system, so fixing this bug slid a little.

Stephen Ewen said...

Hi Kerim.

Thanks for pointing out the "next 400" link bug. It's been forwarded to bugs, er, the people who deal with bugs, that is.

The CZ community has been very busy with development matters. I'll mention just a few.

One, a new initiative to greatly increase the quality and type of our content has recently hit prime time. You can read about it at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Subpages

Secondly, we have very recently updated to the latest version of Mediawiki. In the wake of the numerous bugs that emerged, which still seem to be crawling out from places now and then, I am told by those a lot more knowledgeable that stuff that like is to be expected after an update. One of the tech guys created another testbed wiki to try to squash more of the bugs next time before going prime time with an update.

Also, we have re-organized all policy pages into an easy to navigate system, worked on lots of cool things for media, and started a few other initiatives.

Additionally, I hope people will be glad to know that, just today, the wraps came off of a new semi-automated account registration system. You can read about it at http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/10/08/cz-now-open-to-web-registration-thanks-to-aaron-schulz/ and view it at http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Special:RequestAccount

Also, it is not the case that we have "chosen to restrict [our] content to newly created material". Anyone may import material from Wikipedia, for example, and start hammering away at it, and people certainly do.

You asked what we meant by "We're collegial". Basically, it means we work together and are serious about making the wiki an enjoyable place to work, see http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Professionalism It's got nothing to do with ivory tower stuff. No one checks diploma's at the door (unless you want editor status). We have some high schoolers on the wiki, so that should show the point well enough in itself.

So know we're busily trying to give folks lots of outstanding content to link to. As time goes on and contributors increase, there will of course be lots more material. Help build it!

Kerim said...

Thanks for your responses John and Stephen. If there have been technical glitches following the upgrade to a new Mediawiki version I would just say that I've never noticed anything similar on the other wiki encyclopedia. Don't they upgrade too? And whether or not anyone can import material from Wikipedia is a minor point. The bottom line is the number of live articles.

One of the things that made me want to support Citizendium wasn't just that Wikipedia has plenty of shortcomings, it was the attitude of hard-core Wikipedians in response to unfavorable blog coverage. Their attitude seemed to be that nobody has the right to complain unless they are willing to come on board and help build it.

Anton said...

Hi Kerim,

With regard to the number of articles on CZ - yes, its about 3,000 "Live" articles (which, incidentally, compares very well with the other wiki encyclopedia in *its* first year!), but CZ's definition of "Live" is: "An article is live if (1) we started it ourselves; or (2) it is externally-sourced (e.g., from Wikipedia), and there have been at least three significant changes in three different places to the wording of an article." There are many more articles than just the live ones - see http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Category:CZ_Live

Kerim said...

Hi Anton,

What I'd like to do is cite Citizendium as a reference source. Wikipedia's strength, and at the same time its greatest weakness, is that unregistered users can make changes or add content without any commitments. If each time I need a citation I spend a few extra minutes searching Citizendium for an article which may not exist yet, that is in itself a commitment. If the only way to find all the articles is to search multiple lists, that could soon become tedious. I don't mind citing a modified Wikipedia article as long as I can find it easily. It would be quicker, but less up-to-date, to use Google's "site:en.citizendium.org/wiki/" search option. Think of me as a member of the public. I shouldn't need to learn Citizendium's internal system for classifying articles.